Harassment is sad.

[RyukaTana]

So the response to abuse isn't to deal with the worst case abusers (which I and blue have both agreed we'd be willing to do), but instead for everyone else to turn the world into a paranoia fest? The answer to 'some people are rapists' is not 'treat everyone like a rapist', and the people who choose to make that their response are just adding another level of shitty behavior onto the pile. I'm not going to validate that.

[crayzz]

That is some grade A reactionary strawmanning.

(I've gone through this enough to know that you don't know the difference between risk assessment and assumptions of criminality. This isn't likely to go further.)

[Nepene]

I'm not sure why you think it's good to say "you're arguing about some other shit that isn't what I said." and then say " The answer to 'some people are rapists' is not 'treat everyone like a rapist',"

I never said anything about rapists. You were in a conversation with me about verbal harassment and licking people. How people view people who forcefully have sex with others is irrelevant to that.

Also, it's not paranoia if it happens to you a hundred times a day.

[RyukaTana]

It's not a strawman, there's a video of what I'm talking about in the OP. A video which declares every instance of a man talking to a stranger as 'harassment', I'm not attacking some non-existent target I made up. I'd say my use of the word 'rapist' is hyperbole, except that I've actually been accused of rape because of this fearmongering bullshit.

I never said anything about rapists. You were in a conversation with me about verbal harassment and licking people. How people view people who forcefully have sex with others is irrelevant to that.

Hyperbole is a thing, and if you think my statement is irrelevant I'd like to ask how the view is from inside your colon.

Also, it's not paranoia if it happens to you a hundred times a day.

My hyperbole is irrelevant, but yours is what now?

I'm out, you two circlejerk all you want.

[Nepene]

I'm not sure you're really debating in good faith, so I am ending this conversation on my end. Feel free to take the last word.

[MysticWav]

On the other hand, how many men saw her being harassed and didn't say "hey, knock it off asshole"?

Just to throw fuel on the fire. Why men? How many women saw her being harassed and didn't say anything either?

[Deepbluediver]

Just to throw fuel on the fire. Why men? How many women saw her being harassed and didn't say anything either?

Ooh, that's an interesting point to raise.

[yomikoma]

On the other hand, how many men saw her being harassed and didn't say "hey, knock it off asshole"?

Just to throw fuel on the fire. Why men? How many women saw her being harassed and didn't say anything either?

This is a problem with men behaving badly, shouldn't men fix it? Obviously the harassing men don't respect women's opinions.

[RyukaTana]

On the other hand, how many men saw her being harassed and didn't say "hey, knock it off asshole"?

Just to throw fuel on the fire. Why men? How many women saw her being harassed and didn't say anything either?

This is a problem with men behaving badly, shouldn't men fix it? Obviously the harassing men don't respect women's opinions.

The latter point might be worthwhile, but the former one isn't. How broad does the category have to be before you stop being responsible? Am I responsible for everything another human does because I'm human? Am I responsible for everything every animal does because I'm an animal? Am I responsible for everything that every living thing does because I'm alive? Am I responsible for everything because I exist?

Having a penis does not make me the penis warden. I'll do what I can to fix what I actually perceive as a problem, because it makes the world better for everyone (myself and my loved ones included) to live in, not because I have some imaginary obligation to police entities with a similar chromosomal make-up.

[MysticWav]

As Ryu pointed out that's a pretty silly association.

The problem isn't men behaving badly. The problem is misogynists behaving badly. Men are just people, just like women are. We don't have secret meetings or anything.

As to whether they'd be inclined to listen to a good man more than a good woman, I have no idea. I don't know what's going on in their heads.

I can tell you my experiences a straight person trying to teach straight people not to use homophobic slurs indicates the answer is "No." Most jerks are still jerks precisely because they've spent their entire lives ignoring how non-jerks tell them they should behave.